Donar Eggs

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Donar Eggs

Postby wagsnag » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:29 pm

Hi,
I have recently been diagnosed with POF and I am 22 years old. I am handling my diagnosis very well as for years I knew that something was wrong and now that I have been diagnosed it is not a relief, but I am just glad that I now know what is happening with my body.
As I so very much want to have children in the future, and my only chance is now a donar egg (which I am ok with - its my only option so it does not bother me). I was wondering whether anybody out there knows any information about donar eggs?
Is the female anonimous?
Does anybody know the waiting list to get a donar egg?
What is the success rates for a successful pregnancy?
Is the females eggs used as similiar to ones own looks as possible?
Or,
Are you reading this, having already had a child using donar eggs?

Any information on this would be really helpful.
I want the light at the end of the tunnel to be a bright happy one, and I am just looking to the future and hoping that I will be able to carry a child, whether it is genetically mine or not :)

Jess
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Postby Nicole » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:27 am

Hi Jess,

Welcome to our forum and thanks for posting a message!

You sound like you're coping really well with your diagnosis. It can be a relief to just have a name for what you're experiencing, can't it. Even though it's something you probably didn't want, at least you can now start dealing with it. I applaud your courage and resolve. :)

There are many in the group who have used donor eggs for achieving a much-wanted pregnancy. This is a great option that produces real results. It may not work the first time, but persistence has eventually paid off for many in the group. DH and I are attempting our second cycle in April and we're hoping this time is the time for us. Our first cycle was quite disappointing but, to my way of thinking, every time you try you have the same chance of succeeding, and you've got to be in to win!

You can find out a bit more about the way a donor egg IVF cycle works on our website (http://www.earlymenopause.org.nz) on the 'Fertility' page. But let me try to answer your questions briefly here.

Is the female anonymous?
That is up to you. Would you feel more comfortable with the donor being known to you or not? There are tricky issues on both sides of this question and it really depends on what you feel most comfortable with. A known donor can certainly speed things up a bit as you're not waiting for someone to answer your advertisement. Personally, I preferred the idea of an unknown donor, as I thought it'd be a less emotionally-charged experience. But when a good friend of mine offered to donate, I was able to come round to that idea for two reasons: (1) I'd heard the waiting list for anonymous donors can be up to two years; (2) she made it really simple. And I think most women who want to be donors are like that. I originally wanted my sister to be my donor, so that the child would have at least some of my DNA, but she declined as she felt it would be 'weird'. And that's fine, it's her decision. But the kind of people who want to donate their eggs, don't see it as weird at all. They just want YOU to have a chance of pregnancy. They 'get' it.

Does anybody know the waiting list to get a donor egg?
Just to clarify something, donor eggs are not like donor sperm. They don't store well and there is no 'pool' of donors to choose from. One day I expect there will be, but at the moment they're having difficulty thawing frozen eggs. They will try to store a woman's eggs if she is going through cancer treatment, but the success rate is currently too low for this to become routine.

For an anonymous donor, it's about two years from placing the advert to actually starting a cycle. But this is a huge 'guesstimate' as they just don't know how long it will take. For known donors, it depends on whether you qualify for publicly funded treatment or not. If you do, and you have a donor, you join the list of people waiting for funding and that can be up to a year at the moment. But this changes depending on government regulations, so don't rely on that figure for the future. If you have $15,000 to pay for it yourself, and you have found a donor, I believe you can pretty much dictate the timeline yourself.

What is the success rates for a successful pregnancy?
The figures we've been given, dated May 2008, say that about 75% of collected eggs fertilise and, of these, some may not be good enough to use. The younger your donor is, the better. We are with Fertility Associates and, with our last cycle, they told us they expected to collect about 7 eggs and have 3-4 embryos to choose from. We had three, and only one was good enough to use. We did the transfer, but sadly this one didn't continue to develop. But this time we have a different donor and who knows what the outcome might be.

Fertility Associates have a graph on their web site that you might find helpful. They say the average fertile couple has a 20% chance of conceiving each month and they put their pregnancy rate for someone under 35 (which is really the age of the donor for us) at just above 45%. But this is not per month, this is over a 6 month period using fresh and frozen embryos. There are no guarantees with IVF but it's better than the 5% chance of pregnancy we have on our own! My personal opinion is it will either work or it won't and you can't let statistics cloud your thinking.

Is the female's eggs used as similar to one's own looks as possible?
This is also up to you. Obviously the more specific you are with your requests, the fewer potential donors you'll find. But this is your choice. I originally thought it was absolutely vital that the donor look exactly like me so that I could bond better with baby. However, our current donor looks nothing like me, but, on the positive side, a lot like my husband. So, rather than focus on who the baby might not look like, my focus will be on who baby does look like. Does that make sense? It took me a long time to get to this point, but I know this is likely going to be our last chance, so I'm not going to be picky, we just want a family and any baby we are lucky enough to have will be deeply loved.

The light at the end of the tunnel IS a bright, happy one, Jess, and there is still hope for you to have the pregnancy you want. Attitude is EVERYTHING. If you can be flexible and positive, then you can achieve your dream. And if that dream changes a little over time, so be it. That's life, isn't it!

Your specialist should be able to get you some more detailed information about IVF from your nearest clinic. Do ask about it, as it's always good to get it from the 'horse's mouth' so to speak!

Also, we have a great book in our library called "Mommies, Daddies, Donors, Surrogates" that explores many of the issues surrounding donor-assisted reproduction. I know it really helped me get my head around it all when I was first looking into it. We have a few other books as well that you'd be more than welcome to borrow. More information is on our website.

We're here for you when you need us and do let us know if we can help out with anything else.

Warm wishes,
Nicole x
Last edited by Nicole on Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:51 am, edited 2 times in total.
POF diagnosed 2005, age 30, after periods stopped while on the pill. Feel like myself again on HRT. DH has been my rock! 2 beautiful pussycats. 2 unsuccessful DE IVF cycles. Focussing on life's blessings for now.
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We have twins from DE IVF

Postby Felicity » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:04 pm

Wow, I am not sure that I can add much more to Nicole's stunning and comprehensive explanation above, other than tell you about my own experience. Nicole you are awesome as always.

I have twins from my very first IVF Donor Egg cycle :D
They are now 10 months old. I knew my egg donor and in fact she approached me and offered to donate, rather than me asking her.

We paid for our cycle privately as like Nicole said, even if you have your own donor, you still have to join the waiting list for Govt funding, which is a year long. Our cycle cost about $12,000 for the consultations, compulsory counselling, drugs, scans etc etc.

When we were at the discussion stage, I too was concerned that any baby would not look like me, and that perhaps I wouldn't bond with the baby. However, now that they are here - my baby boy looks like my husband (blonde and blue eyes), and my baby girl looks like me (dark hair and blue eyes). When people say that my daughter looks like me, I just smile and laugh inside (if only they knew!)

My Egg Donor told me after the twins were born that she didn't want me constantly looking at them searching for her resemblance. This gave me 'permission' to accept these babies as my own, if that makes sense. The fact of the matter is that my girl has my donors eyes, but everything else is just like my husbands family. When I see my girl frowning or something with an expression that I recognise as being my egg donors, it actually makes me smile, and reminds me of what a wonderful thing she did for us. But she provided us with an opportunity - with no guarantees of success, and no rights or responsibilities towards the outcome.

We have kept the identity of our Egg Donor a secret from virtually everyone, as this was agreed in the complusory couples counselling session. One day we will have to tell the twins about the birds and bees and then the petri dish version of events, and if we wish the identity of our Egg Donor. By law, we do not have to tell them the identity of the egg donor, but the information is available to them if they wish to seek it out themselves when they are older.

Knowing what I know now, I would have not have wasted so much nervous energy angsting about will I bond or not, adoption vs donor egg, do we vs don't we... and just gone for it. Step off that cliff of indecision and go for it if you get the smallest chance. Don't be afraid if you do find yourself pregnant with twins - it's a miracle in every sense of the word.
POF diagnosed aged 35. Mum to miracle DE IVF boy/girl twins, born April 2008.
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My experience

Postby Anne » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:04 pm

I too can only add my own experience as my twin girls are now 8 going on 9. I was diagnosed at 36 with POF (when we tried for children) but suspect that it was earlier.
We had a donor who had been lined up for someone else and that someone became pregnant so we were next in line. I didn't even hesitate - I said yes. We were incredibly lucky that our first try was successful as well. Again to back up a comment already made - our donor was in her 20's so relatively young which made a big difference.
Did I worry about what they looked like? - no I didn't - but like others I too smile quietly when some one tells me they have my eyes. The children pick up manerisms and sayings so people who don't know have no idea. Our donor is unknown to us in person but we have exchanged letters and I am at a stage that I would like to meet her. We have been very open about how we conceived and have started talking about it with the girls in a very age/stage appropriate way. For example they have seen a book called where do I come from and we have talked about different ways people have become pregnant. A friend of our has just conceived using donor eggs - so we have talked a little about that as well.
It is challenging but looking back all so worth it. Having said that for those who are still trying it can be such a roller coaster of emotion - from hope to despair.
Jess you sound like an amazingly together young woman who is approaching this with open eyes, a willingness to ask and find out, and a positive outlook.If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
The women who maintain this site and are so active in the group do an amazing job for everyone and I will take this opportunity to thank them for all that they do.
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Postby wagsnag » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:00 pm

Hello Anne, Felicity and Nicole.

I do wish to thank you so very much for your replies :)
It is great to hear your words of encouragement and your own personnal stories!
Each of you answered the questions I had and I sincerley thank you for that.
You have helped me to realise that it is not a scary experience, and not to worry so much about the trivial issues like what colour eyes my child might have. I know that when the time arrives, I will feel so blessed to have him/her that these concerns will not matter :)
I look forward to my future, POF is not a 'death sentence', i view it as a hurdle in life and it is one that we can get over.
This forum is fantastic in the way that we can all speak to each other about experiences we all have.
Thankyou again :)
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Postby shaz » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:00 pm

Hi Jess and welcome to the website Its great you have found us and I think we all relate to what you are going through.I have said to my hubby on many occasions maybe you should look for someone else that can give you children but after nearly 17 years together he seems to be happy with me and my issues

A little about me (or maybe a lot) LOL I was diaganosed at the age of 21 with Ulcerative Colitus (inflamation of the bowel,Crohns) spent abit of time in hospital over the next few years and finally got it under control with Meds.Unfortunaltly they failed to tell me it was a Autoimmune disease and could lead to other problems.At 29 I went to the doc with a missed period (wasnt my first) and assumed I was PG,after a internal and poas (pee on a stick) he decided to do bloods.Well 3 days later he informed me I was Post menopausal FSH 128 only thing I could do in his words was take HRT and use a Egg Donor. I came away shattered and had lost all faith in the medical system that I had relied on for so long.

Anyway that led us to the waiting list for donor eggs.2 long years later we had our 1st donor.Our Donors have both been anonymous and all we receive from the clinic is a page with their statistics Age,Height,Eye colour,how many children they have,education etc.Sadly we only received 5 eggs and only 4 fertilised.We had 2 implanted on 2 occasions but they never took.So back on the waiting list for 2 more years (the waiting does your head in) We did have the option like Nicole to use my sister but at the last minute she decided she could not handle the fact that at family gatherings she would look at the child and consider it hers.So with our 2nd donor first cycle was cancelled due to (ossh) over stimmed she had 32 eggs on left ovary and 28 on right,but she still wanted to go.Next cycle we received 11 fert eggs and had 2 implanted,2 weeks later we were told the fantastic news we were PG,OMG first time I have seen a line on a HPT,sadly was short lived as at 6 weeks I started spotting and lost both embies a few days later.Yes we are sure there were 2 as my blood test levels on day 14 were 460 and 2 days later 1633.After 3 more FETs (frozen embryo transfers) sadly all failed,we had been put back on the DE list yet again.This August we would have been on the list 2 years and should be nearing the top again,but as time has moved on I think we are nearly at the stage of accepting we will never have children as I will be 37 this year and my hubby with be 41,and time has run out.

I hope my story helps you a little and nobody understands more than we do what early menopause can do to a person emotionally,physically,mentally all llys LOL
Alot of negative comments have been made about women taking HRT but if you read on this site and many others women over 50 should not take HRT as its the usual course for the body to go through.But for those of us that sadly that go through the CHANGE early (dont you hate that word) we still need the hormones so HRT is our best shot at strong healthy bones and a semi normal existence.

Good luck Hun xx

Hi Nicole not long now!!!

Shaz xx
Me 36 DH 41,POF 29, (FSH 128)been trying for children for 11 years and have had 6 DE IVF attempts.1 successful but sadly ended in a miscarrige.2 Fur babys Missy (cat)15, Sadly we lost our cat on the 30th Dec 08.Dougal (boarder collie)12.
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